Why You Dream About Your Parents

Episode Transcript

Debra (00:00.897)
Hello everyone, welcome back to Jung On Purpose. I am Deborah Maldonado and we are thrilled to bring you another episode continuing our series on dreams. And first of all, I do want to talk about a little bit our dream interpretation app that if you look at the show notes below or if you’re watching us on YouTube, there’s a link here in the description that you can download our Jungian Dream Oracle app.

Dr. Rob (00:05.521)
I’m Dr. Rob.

Debra (00:28.801)
That’s free. There is an upgrade version, but if you want to explore your dreams through Jungian psychology, Eastern spirituality, we have this amazing tool based on our work and our neuro-mentor method to understand dreams in a Jungian coaching model. Do you have anything to add about the dream interpretation before we start?

Dr. Rob (00:48.462)
It is. Yeah, it’s some of the feedback. The initial feedback we were getting is amazing. We’re having really profound insights from plugging in their dreams into this app and getting the feedback.

Debra (00:56.887)
Mm-hmm.

Debra (01:06.413)
So definitely check it out. And also if you are not subscribed to our channel on YouTube, please make sure you subscribe and our podcast, please subscribe. That helps people find us and then we can reach more people and share our messages and help people grow themselves. Yeah. So today we did last week, we talked about dreams and just the misconceptions. And today we’re going to talk about our dear mother and father.

Dr. Rob (01:24.023)
and grow the community.

Debra (01:35.093)
and why they haunt us in our dreams and what they really mean. So first of all,

When I dream about my mother or my father, am I talking about my mother and my father, Rob? Are they telling me something about my parents?

Dr. Rob (01:54.606)
That’s a good question. I’d say yes and no. There is an element, especially for people that are new to individuation.

The the personal element right the the biographical parents meaning the the biological people that gave birth to you. Of course, they’re they’re referenced in the dream. It’s especially again like people that haven’t really understood their shadow and their persona yet. And rightly so then because the dream is giving them a perspective based on who they are.

They believe themselves to be the ego, the persona, the of the waking experience of their life. And there’s nothing wrong with that. We all start off that way. That’s the way we survive in the world.

But there’s two elements. One is that personal biographical history with our parents that sometimes comes into dreams, right, and gives us an understanding, gives us insight and kind of clarifies our emotions around our parents. Then there’s the archetypal parent. Jung talks about the mother, the great mother archetype, as well as the father archetype.

So these dreams often have archetypal energy in the guise of our parents. So it’s not only the parent that we’re dreaming of, but it’s the archetypal father and mother.

Debra (03:42.902)
And I just to underscore that for people that are new to Jung’s work, we’re born with what he called the collective unconscious, which contains the archetypes. And there’s a mother archetype and a father archetype. There’s many archetypes. And so the mother is really the most prominent because she’s the one who initially takes care of us, even from the very beginning of life, feeds us, bathes us, nurtures us, usually, unless she’s not there for some reason.

and so what we do is instead we, don’t have, like, we have a framework for mother from the collective. So we’re born with this wisdom of this is mother, this is what a mother is. And you see animals do this all the time. They adopt, you know, different species. If they don’t have a mother there, they, find a mother figure. So you’re projecting this archetype onto your personal mother. And, and then you’re creating an image inside of who she is.

based on your personal experience. So it’s kind of like part God, part human of our mother. And so when we’re dreaming, we’re getting a piece of both of those parts.

Dr. Rob (04:49.409)
Now, of our listeners or many of our listeners are initiated already into individuation. So we would say most likely the parent that is appearing in your dream is not really talking about your biographical parents. It’s talking about the archetypal dimension of your psyche. Because once you enter individuation,

The whole game changes. It’s not about your external past history, your past conditioning. Now it’s about the journey forward into becoming your true self. It’s like the hero’s journey. You’re undergoing a test of sorts that challenges you from within. And it has all these

layers to it almost like a video game that you can only go to the next level after you complete a certain task then you can you know jump up to the next level.

Debra (05:56.822)
And so when we’re talking about dreams, for me, well, for everyone who explores them from this level, not just predicting the future or feeling like, that’s a cool coincidence. I had a dream about this and then it happened. Those are great. They’re showing the magic of our psyche and the mind. But I think that they’re, really show us a map of what’s really happening unconsciously in our life and our journey to that individuation. So where we’re stuck.

Dr. Rob (06:02.392)
Hmm.

Debra (06:25.473)
where we’re attached, where we’re feeling that conflict in becoming our true self. And before we go into what the mother and father represent, Rob, I thought I’d share a dream I had. I was 29 years old. I was not individuated at all. I was not into I was kind of into personal growth, but not totally like I read pop psychology, I had no idea who Carl Jung was. And I had a dream that I wanted to move out of town out of state move away from New Jersey and move somewhere else.

And my brother had moved already and I was thinking of moving. So I had this dream that I died and my brother died. And my brother was in a coffin and he was kind of dead and he had like these strings on him to keep him in the coffin. And then I was in my coffin and it was a funeral and I had kind of these wires or strings covering me. But I was, you know the coffin lid was open and I was woke up and I said, wait a minute, I am not ready to die.

I’m not ready to die. And I started trying to get out of the coffin. And my mother comes in and my mother says, Deb, we paid for the funeral. We can’t send people back. You’re just going to have to die. And I was like fighting my mother about this, you know, I want to live. And I kept having this, you know, kind of feeling of I want to live. I want to live.

So I feel like that was like a presenting dream into my individuation. And I thought it was such a, I remember it clearly to this day that it was almost like, and then a couple months later, a year later, I moved to Colorado and basically started my whole life over. But would you say that that would be, of course, that wasn’t my real mother, but it sounded like her. And then there’s also this element of we’re conditioned by our parents. So part of that conditioning is in us.

Dr. Rob (08:18.53)
Yeah, yeah, that sounds amazing. And it sounds it does sound like an initiation into individuation. And that’s a myth.

Debra (08:31.137)
And so the transformation is the death is transformation. It’s not a death. And there’s a part of me fighting it. And my mother was saying, gotta die. You gotta do that. You have to fight. Yeah.

Dr. Rob (08:35.884)
Yeah, it’s symbolic.

Dr. Rob (08:45.792)
Yeah. And of course, there is in your situation again, that’s why we say there’s a there’s a mixing there initially of the biographical parents, in this case, your mother, and the archetypal mother. In other words, they’re melded, you can call that the Imago. So the Imago is showing up in the dream, because it’s it’s kind of that initial image that we have.

the expectations that we get from the archetypal energy of the mother and towards the mother, and the projection really of that archetypal mother onto our biographical mother, as well as the biographical experience that we’ve had with our personal mothers and all that drama that’s been going on between us and the love, of course. So.

I wanted to note first, the nature of the archetype so that people don’t misread our conversation. We know out there, if you look on the internet, most of the archetypal references or references to archetypes talk about these characters, right? They say,

the magician, the fool, the king, etc, etc. Those are not the formal archetypes in Jungian psychology, say they’re not the formal ones. There’s nothing wrong with them if you know if they help you understand their symbols. Yeah. But people mistake the symbol for the archetype. So the symbol is not the archetype. You know, there’s the archetype creates the symbol. Yes.

Debra (10:12.643)
The King.

Debra (10:24.845)
They’re symbols. Yeah.

Dr. Rob (10:40.45)
but it’s still not the symbol because it’s only a piece of that archetype.

Debra (10:45.389)
So it’s like archetypes, the invisible part, and then we see it through symbols. Like I see it’s just like a mother. There’s the witch, there’s the queen, there’s our biographical mother, there’s Mother Teresa, there’s Mother Mary, the great mother in some cultures. So there’s a lot, but the archetype is, it’s like a one force, and then it comes up in many symbolic images.

Dr. Rob (11:12.546)
good way to see it, And so it would be more correct to say that this the symbol of the the magician, for example, is a part of the larger archetype of the father, the great father archetype, which contains all the king and the magician and the fool and on and on, right. So

Debra (11:30.755)
Okay.

Dr. Rob (11:41.89)
Those are characters or symbols that point to the larger archetypes.

Debra (11:49.838)
So those symbols don’t have as much power as if the pure archetype itself, the archetype has the power. They’re just kind of a, it’s just like us. We’re just like a human having, we’re not the archetype of a human. We’re our personality and you can’t really see the archetype of, yeah. So then when we talk about the mother and father of the archetypes, they take on, like you said, the form.

Dr. Rob (12:06.446)
An avatar thing.

Debra (12:18.251)
of image of our parents, but they can take on other images as well.

Dr. Rob (12:23.682)
Yeah, so that has to do with the nature of the dream world that in dreams, every one that appears in your dream, in essence is pointing to your psyche, your psychology, your emotional life, your inner world, not necessarily the person out there, right? And that’s a kind of a mistake that people make. Well, you know, there are different models of dream

Debra (12:27.596)
Mm-hmm.

Debra (12:36.163)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Rob (12:52.43)
But in Jungian, if you’re using Jungian, that would be a mistake to think that the dream because your mother appears in the dream that the dream is talking about your mother. So that.

Debra (13:04.961)
Like my mother’s going to stop me from moving to Colorado or something. She’s intervening, but it’s more the archetypal conditioning around that mother image that is. And we’ll talk about what the difference between mother and father is, but we can go deeper into that. And I think the mother and father are the most important to really know. I mean, if you learn nothing else about dream interpretation or individuation, if you just understand the mother and father archetype, you have

most of your life played out. You could see your patterns in every one of these.

Dr. Rob (13:40.697)
Yeah, because here’s a I mean, the reason we wanted to talk about the archetypes is because often people don’t don’t get to tap into their power. These are powerful, powerful forces in our psyche. And we need to tap into that energy because it is what

what feeds, what nourishes, what sustains, what activates the psyche. It’s archetypal energy. And these archetypes are universal. They’re not personal, right? So they’re transpersonal, meaning they’re beyond your personal experiences. You don’t have to, let’s say, have a personal experience of the archetype. The archetype is universal.

It’s like you mentioned in the beginning, these are part of what you want to call the collective unconscious, the universal reservoir of human experience.

Debra (14:48.599)
I like to think of the archetypes as a template and then the mother and father, initially, we have a template for life and we’re going to talk about what each means. And then our personal parents give us that like a limited template to work from, which we call the archetypal family field, which is part of our new program that we have a training with also below in the show notes if you’re interested. And so these two forces

you know, we’re shaped by these two powerful forces of the masculine and feminine, the mother and the father. And they, you know, they teach us everything about the world, especially when we’re really young, we’re very easily shaped. And then we carry those assumptions unconsciously around for the rest of our life. So let’s go into what they mean, they mean symbolically and kind of make it a little more tangible. So the mother archetype in dreams and in general,

Yeah, this is also active imagination or anytime you work with a mother archetype represents safety. She represents emotional holding or abandonment, like give or take of emotional safety to love and withdrawal of love, support, or she can represent engulfment, like devouring mother. And then also the permission to exist. I’ve often heard it, the mother

archetype represents life itself. So she gives us life. I mean, without mother, we would not be alive. We have need a mother. So so very so imagine that symbolically, not just your personal mother, but symbolically in the world to know safety, emotional safety, where you feel supported, where you feel people taking, you know, or overly trying to control you, or even feeling that you’re worth it to exist. That all comes from

this archetype.

Dr. Rob (16:46.708)
And note that in Jungian psychology, the pair of opposites travel together. You can’t separate them. They’re always there.

Debra (16:53.891)
Yeah. So it’s safety or lack of safety, holding like, I’m going to take care of you nurturing or I’m going to abandon you. So those two opposites. And then in most cases, we have both. You know, our mother’s not there for us all the time. She loses us at the grocery store. She didn’t forgets to pick us up from school or as late, you know, all those times. And we experienced both of the mother. Most of us put such a high

standard for her, especially when we’re little, we like she’s the goddess to take care of us. And she often lets us down. And so a lot of times our clients that are mothers, I always say that you’re going to always do the best you can. And you have to know that you’re not hurting your child. Like, even if things aren’t perfect, the child’s resilient enough, they’re going to be able to use whatever you experience they have to grow. So it’s it’s there’s no nothing broken about them. You can’t break your children.

Unless it’s like severe and there’s a lot of, you know, stuff going on, but we’re talking about like a typical growing up.

Dr. Rob (17:57.795)
Yeah, and so back to you.

Debra (17:58.666)
even critical, right? Critical mothers, you know, like, you’re not good enough and all that. I mean, that happens all the time.

Dr. Rob (18:07.726)
Back to the dream then that you had, the archetype shows up at a certain point in life as an initiate, as a calling for transformation. And it’s not only a calling. In other words, it’s not just an innate symbol showing up. It has power. It says,

Debra (18:10.807)
Hmm. Yeah.

Debra (18:26.083)
Mmm.

Dr. Rob (18:37.036)
the archetypes have numinous power. Now, numerosity, it’s a strange word, but what it means it’s there to activate the spiritual element in you, not the religious in the religious sense, but in the personal experience sense of transcendence, that it’s there to point the road to transformation, to transcendence, to becoming your true self. And so it activates

your psyche at the conscious level and transfers energy from the collective unconscious to your personal unconscious or personal conscious. If you’re aware of it. That’s the whole idea of individuation is that now you’re consciously participating in that process of receiving and calling forth energy, archetypal energy from the collective unconscious to your personal unconscious.

Debra (19:37.314)
And so I see that as like, not my mother, but the parts of me that are kind of engulfing, like be careful, be practical. And then the other part of me that wants to break out and grow and not want to die yet, you know, when I live my life, you know, in this dull life, I was wanting to individuate. And so all these factors are myself fighting with myself. So it was showing like the inner battle that was about to come through of me stepping into

what I was meant to do with my life. And I remember I wasn’t really knowing anything about, like I read like personal growth. I wasn’t self-help little girl reading books, but I knew that this dream was so important. I just felt like you feel this numinous quality of it. Like 50 years later, I’m still thinking about this dream. Maybe not 50. That’s way too old. 40 years later, I’m thinking about this dream and thinking, wow, like,

Dr. Rob (20:09.324)
Yeah.

Debra (20:35.851)
I still remember it. It was like a turning point in my life. And it was so these dreams are so powerful. And if you if I knew archetypal work, I’d be like, yeah. But I kind of intuitively knew it was really important about the stage. But I didn’t I wasn’t really I didn’t have a young coach to help me interpret it. But you kind of feel like what it’s about. Sometimes your intuition tells you that there’s something here more than just your mother. I actually told my mother about the dream.

Dr. Rob (20:54.222)
Where?

Dr. Rob (20:57.496)
Yeah, absolutely.

Debra (21:04.019)
she goes, I would never do that. I would never tell you to die because the funeral was already paid for. And I’m like, I know mom.

Dr. Rob (21:04.088)
when you see it.

Dr. Rob (21:07.95)
person.

No, but there’s several layers to dream interpretation, just to give people kind of a sense of what we’re talking about. So the first one is insight. It’s telling you in a kind of a simplified way that if you don’t move, this is in a sense your death or the death of you personally as an individual, as a persona.

that you’re going to be smothered, you’re going to be kind of railroaded into this non-life, non-living of your true self, right? It’s going to be living your parents’ dreams, perhaps, or your parents’ aspirations, but not your own, the death of that, right? At another level, it’s talking about transformation, because death is the symbol for transformation.

Debra (21:57.607)
yeah.

Dr. Rob (22:09.816)
So it’s kind of a very positive dream from that angle because it’s saying you’re ready to be transformed and the mother is essentially initiating that transformation that’s going to happen and she’s stopping you from making the biggest mistake of your life to escape that. So in a sense, it’s also predicting what your life

path will be, which is one of transformation, one of embracing that death that, you know, it’s big because in that sense, it’s the death of the old self, the death of the ego of the small self, the small condition self.

Debra (22:50.445)
Yeah.

So a part of me was resisting the death of the ego in that dream. And I think that’s the conflict is that you have the part of you that wants to grow. We all can relate to that. We want to change. We want to live our dreams. We want to live our purpose. But we’re terrified of what we have to do to create that. Like it’s easy just to daydream and one day I’ll have my life. I’ll tell me about the rabbits. We’re going to have that farm

Dr. Rob (22:59.3)
The ego resists even in dreams.

Debra (23:22.485)
somewhere and plant the rabbits and but we but the dreams really show us those conflicts and bring them to the surface so we could see this is what’s going on inside of you consciously unconsciously. And what I love about it is like you’re getting almost like an x ray to your psyche with dreams you’re seeing like this is what’s going on this is you don’t need you know to go to regression to figure out what the core

reason why you’re holding yourself back, you can see the psyche having these battles. And we have these battles all the time, which is a part of us that wants to grow that spiritual part of us that we were born with that wants to express ourselves fully, and then the ego that wants to keep us the same and safe. And then our parents teach us how to navigate biographical parents teach us how we’re going to navigate that transformation. You know, it’s either it’s all their words and all their

shapings and agreements and loyalties to them and rules are going to come into play when we hit that midlife transformation where people are asking themselves these questions. That’s why people don’t just like quit their job and go off and find their purpose right away. There’s a lot of resistance and dreams can really help us navigate what’s going on under the surface. So let’s talk about the father.

Dr. Rob (24:43.982)
Absolutely.

Debra (24:47.159)
The father archetype is authority, direction, permission to act, power and agency. And my father was not in the dream, which is interesting too. Judgment and approval. So it’s really like who we are in the world, our value as successful people. Do we have power in the world? Where the mother’s about, am I loved? And the father is like, do I have power? And so,

The dream will show your current relationship to these ideas, to safety, to self-trust, and to authority.

Dr. Rob (25:25.696)
Often people that enter the individuation process early on, they’ll have dreams where the parent, either the father or the mother is driving the car. And they’re either in the passenger seat or in the back seat. Just kind of going along for the ride, which symbolically means their will is being run by these internal

Debra (25:38.903)
Yes.

Dr. Rob (25:54.927)
forces that represent their mother or father imagos and they don’t have a say so in the direction of their life. So Jung says these forces are autonomous. Now what he means is that they act like little egos or big ego sometimes in the psyche that they compel you to act

in particular ways in that reflect your relationship with both the personal parent, as well as the archetypal parent.

Debra (26:38.165)
And so some people have said, well, my father passed away when I was young, a baby or younger, or they passed away already. And even if your parents have passed away, they are still alive as archetypal structure. And even if you’ve had your father was never around, there’s an image of a father that was never around in your psyche. So it’s that kind of the absence of authority image.

of, you know, questioning there wasn’t that authority to give you maybe a lack of direction sometimes when you don’t have the physical father biographical father there. And whether they’re there or not, or how long they were there is the archetype is there to hold that container to create the imago of them in your psyche.

Dr. Rob (27:26.712)
Yeah, and imago simply means image. It’s like the total internal image, including all the emotional attachment and resentment, whatever it is in there, kind of wrapped up in one image of the father or the mother. Yeah, so this is this duality, right? So we have the mother archetype within us

that is giving us the sense of what we’re going to experience in the material world. What can we expect from the world? A lot of it comes from our personal experience with our mothers. Was she there when we cried? Was she attentive? Was she caring? Was she critical, compassionate? Was she punishing? And of course, most of our personal experiences are a combination of those things.

Debra (28:16.183)
Compassionate, yeah.

Was she cold?

Dr. Rob (28:25.858)
Sometimes, you know, a good parent has to discipline the child and sometimes the child interprets that as meanness or rejection. So there’s always these kind of conflicting emotions around our personal parent. But the archetypes are always pure in that as we start to wake ourselves up,

Debra (28:45.536)
And then, go ahead.

Dr. Rob (28:54.318)
as to the true nature of the psyche. Instead of being run by these internal forces of conditioning or acting out of compulsions to correct or to rebel against our parents, all that starts to drop away. And so it’s like peeling back all that conditioning and getting to the core of who you really are.

then we start to free ourselves and really act in a conscious way where we’re driving the car because the car in dreams represents the will. So when you get to drive the car, you’re on track for individuation.

Debra (29:38.594)
And so the behavior of the parent in the dream reveals your current unconscious identity structure. So basically if the mother feels critical, it may reflect an inner rejection or a lack of emotional safety that you feel in the world. If the mother’s loving, it reflects integration or inner safety. Maybe that’s what’s changing. You will see, and then those of you, like we highly recommend having a coach take you through this instead of just

going the individuation by yourself because the ego so tricky, it will say you got it and it’ll give you like an intellectual aha, but you’re not really making that deeper shift. So you definitely need to work with someone for this. This is not a do it yourself type of work. If you really want to change, if you want to just play, it’s fine. But if you really want to change, have someone be your guide or become a guide for others. And so, so the, you’ll see in your dreams that the mother image will evolve.

So maybe you’re working on self-negativity and criticism, your own criticism. And then you start noticing that dream of the mother driving the car. And then all of a sudden, you are driving the car now and your mother’s being very loving to you in the dream, which is like this image that you have never seen before. She’s never nice to me. And it’s showing you your inner shift from that. So that’s what the cool thing about dreams, it gives you a blueprint of

a report basically of where you’re at. So the father of the same thing can represent like that disapproving or could represent anger and then the supportive father you can evolve with that. So

Dr. Rob (31:17.784)
Just as the mother represents the physical life for us, meaning the matter, the word mother is actually associated with matter, the word matter. Just as we deal with matter, the physical world, the father gives us a connection to the spiritual world. So note that in many religions, the god, the deity is a father figure.

Debra (31:29.859)
Hmm.

Dr. Rob (31:46.991)
father in the sky is the sky God turned into the father figure. And the father is the invisible forces that shape our life. Meaning the will, our motivation, our will to succeed, money, success, jobs, connection to the plan, leadership, all these

Debra (32:06.403)
Pride even, like a pride in the world, you know?

status, leadership.

Dr. Rob (32:16.354)
these invisible things that we don’t see, but we know are really valuable in our life. That’s the father. So when we’re conflicted, right, and we mistake the personal father or the archetypal father, we start to feel inadequate perhaps. So we feel like I don’t have the motivation. I don’t have the kind of this instinct to succeed the will to do the inspiration.

Debra (32:45.217)
Or I don’t think I have the authority to put myself out there and be a leader because I’m unsure of myself and my power.

Dr. Rob (32:53.336)
Yes. And that holds a lot of people back needlessly because it’s simply pointing to a misidentification of who the father is. We’re over identifying with our biographical fathers and forgetting about the archetypal father’s power that comes directly from the collective unconscious.

Debra (33:18.819)
So I want to end with two things. Number one is that why Jungian psychology is different than the reprogramming your subconscious type of work, which I did early in my career. There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s really nice to build a strong ego and have a good persona if you need that. And it does help if you want to do that after the individuation, they have a mindset. But what I love about this work is that the psyche is alive and this dream is showing you

a living energy in you that’s constantly, it’s like an inner wisdom that’s constantly showing you where your power is and reminding you where your power is. And it’s sending you letters, but in the form of symbols and stories in your dreams. It’s like, think about your divine self saying, dear Deb, you’re going to struggle with trying to change your career and you’re going to have these issues of safety and blah, blah, blah.

And it’s but it’s telling you in a symbolic language, because if you think about it, before we were human on Earth, they’re like the ancient language of the universe was symbolic. You see the early man they didn’t write in, you know, English, they wrote in symbols, and they told stories and symbols. So it’s an ancient language. And so it’s that ancient part of ourselves as deep wisdom that’s thousands of years old, or millions of years old, that is helping us.

And so I find that really fascinating that that’s there. And the second point, and I would love for you to talk about this one, is that in the modern psychology, modern personal growth, people spend so much time talking about their family history and how that defines them and non-Jungians and well, sometimes Jungians too, they talk about the complexes and they’re working a lot on that personal level.

Rob, if you can compare how much of us is personal and how much of us is collective, kind of to give everyone a frame for how it feels like it’s such a big impact because it’s what we’re conscious of, but it’s such a tiny little piece of who we are and our growth and what we should be doing. So I don’t know if you have like a way to talk about that.

Dr. Rob (35:33.442)
Well, I’ll go back to Jung’s metaphor. He says the ego is a small little island

where we’re conscious, right? It’s our waking life, right? Like the one we have right now, our awareness of our life in this conscious way. That’s the ego. And there’s, it’s great, right? It gives us a foothold into awareness, conscious awareness. But he says the unconscious, especially the collective unconscious is like the ocean. It’s vast, deep and unknown.

Most of it is inaccessible to us. It’s that deep, right? It just extends into infinity, basically. But it’s compared to the ego. It’s just it’s it’s the vastness that surrounds us. And the beautiful thing is, is that we have access to it. In other words, it’s us that collective unconscious is the real you.

but we over identify as persona ego. And again, it’s part of our journey as human beings to identify as this persona ego, but he says, at a certain time, the unconscious will give you the prompts, just like your dream, that you’re ready to wake up, you’re ready to undergo this transformation that allows you to connect to that wisdom in the collective unconscious and the archetypes.

as we start to see play a big role in that communication of that wisdom.

Debra (37:21.731)
Yeah. So if you’ve been working on your personal history for a while, you may want to look at Jung coaching, because the coaching model is really about now where are you going? Where are you moving to? What do you want to create in the world? And it doesn’t mean ignore the past, but it’s almost like we include Eastern philosophy, the nondual philosophy, is that you are not the psyche.

you’re actually the awareness of the psyche. So we can be inside the psyche and try to rearrange the furniture, or we can watch ourselves have an experience of ourselves transforming. And there’s something really powerful. And for me, it feels less stressful to not take ourselves so seriously, our persona so seriously, so heavy, that mask becomes such a heavy weight for us.

And we do want to shed it. We want to, but we’re afraid. And by bringing in the Eastern philosophy like we do in our work, it gives you a way to just step back and watch and be of the observer for a little bit. And that’s really where change can happen, because that’s where you can bring the light of that pure consciousness to brighten up the darkness, as Jung would say.

Dr. Rob (38:40.943)
Absolutely. Can I just plug the app?

Debra (38:43.103)
So, sure. The app, yes, definitely. I was going to say that, but I will hand it over to you, Mr. Plug.

Dr. Rob (38:51.491)
The Jungian, yeah, so Jungian dream oracle, it’s called the Jungian dream oracle. Now, when I was programming the oracle, I deliberately wanted to include this idea of individuation in it. So it’s ideal for those of you that are undergoing your hero’s journey, undergoing that transformation.

or even the dark night of the soul, right? Which is kind of an initiation into that journey of individuation because it will give, will interpret your dreams and the symbols and even the synchronicities in your life. The occurrences in your life that you think that’s important. You can, you can plug them into the app and it will give you feedback as to what’s going on in the deeper psyche.

Debra (39:48.94)
And also it gives you exercises that you can do with the dream to take it further. And then if you upgrade to premium, we have a premium level, we have meditations there for dream, dream inspiration, lucid dreaming, that type of thing. But also the real benefit of the premium is you get to ask AI clarifying questions. You can go back and forth the free version. You get a one interpretation a day, but for 5.99 a month, get like all it’s like having your own little

dream guide with you the dream Oracle. And of course, we always recommend getting coaching well to to supplement this. But if you are intrigued and want to get started just on your own and figuring out, you know, what is this Jungian work good, interesting to me, do I want to go deeper with it? It’s a great way to explore and have a direct experience of the power of your dreams. And you’ll be everyone says they’re so amazed at what it comes back with, because it’s not what they thought it was because your logical mind will think

this means something, or get your dream dictionary out, which we don’t agree with dream dictionaries. And we, really is that, that deeper sense of there’s a, there’s a pattern here. There’s a, a message here that’s much more profound. So love it. All right. And we’ll have another episode on dreams next week. But in the meantime, please.

Download that dream app. It’s on Google and Apple phones. if you just look up Jungian Dream Oracle, or the link is in the show notes to get ours, there are some other Oracle dream interpretations and stuff. But this is ours designed specifically by Dr. Rob and programmed by him. So lots of good solid Jungian psychology in there. Also, what was I going to say? I think that’s it. Yeah. We’ll see you next week.

And I was going to say, tell us what you think of it. Reply back, make a comment on our blog, reach out to us, let us know what you think. And if you need any support, if you like coaching or interested in our coach training program or archetypal family field program, practitioner program, those are all available to you as well to go deeper and have more access to us directly.

Debra (42:07.608)
Take care, everyone. Have a great rest of your week, and we’ll see you next time. Enjoy your dreams. Bye-bye.

Dr. Rob (42:14.416)
See you soon.